Let's say you've been lying with your 5-year old for several years at bedtime, and every time maybe even when they wake up in the middle of the night, and you've just had it. You just don't want to lie with them anymore. Because lots of times it takes longer and longer for them to go to sleep and you're just losing your patience. I don't think it's necessarily really fair to just say, that's it. I'm done. Good luck. I think you can try it, but I think you'll have more struggle with your child. I would recommend that you have a family meeting. And you have to say, today mommy talked to the sleep lady. You can blame it on me. It works really well. And she told me that I can teach you to put yourself to sleep without lying down with you so that you can learn how to put yourself to sleep and sleep all night long in your cozy bed. So I'm going to stay with you while you learn. So I would tell you to make a sleep manner chart. Maybe cooperates at bedtime. Lies quietly in bed. Stays in bed all night long until the wake up light or alarm clock or whatever it is that you do in your family to get ready to get up and go to school. And then I'm going to go to my room once you're asleep. So again I would start on a night when you're well rested and you have a good bedtime routine, not 10 o'clock at night. And you go over the sleep manners. And this time you sit up next to their bed instead of lie down. So you have your bedtime routine. And you say, I love you honey. Remember our sleep manners? Mommy's going to sit here. So we're all done rubbing back, hair twirling, whatever our sleep crutch was, and I'm going to stay here until you go to sleep. So not a lot of dialogue. Maybe just a little shush. It's okay. I'm right here. Until they're asleep. And then you do that every single night for 3 nights. And then you continue to move your chair out of the room until they've completely incorporated the skill and they can do it independently, which should easily happen within 7-10 nights.